Is there ANY hope for game streaming? We tried them all.

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    There are so many game streaming services popping up, with so many idiosyncrasies, that it’s hard to keep it all straight. In this video, James takes Linus through a tour testing GeForce Now, Google Stadia, Microsoft Project Xcloud, and Sony PlayStation Now to see which one makes the most sense...except we didn't try Shadow.
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Ξ Y T H Λ X
Ξ Y T H Λ X

shadow win

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SpixlyTV
SpixlyTV

If I could afford a nice new pc I’d be able to not use GeForce now

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elPumaProductions
elPumaProductions

Stadia also offers 4k and 5.1 surround audio in their pro subscription. Nvidia and PSNow tops at 1080p stereo.

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elPumaProductions
elPumaProductions

How about Shadow or Utomik? Shadow seems promising. But it's a shame they're not expanding so fast

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Noah Leitch
Noah Leitch

stadia acts like when you turn vsync on in csgo or l4d2

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Tony ???
Tony ???

He doesn't know about half the shit he talks about.

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monika laosi
monika laosi

signal tho, GeForce Now is a better option because it lowers the streaming quality to reduce tearing and decrease input lag

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Andrew Gray
Andrew Gray

No one ever mentions Parsec, but (with its own limitations) Parsec is exactly what it promises and what it claims to be. It's literally renting time on a virtual machine that can stream as much video and audio as your connection will handle, at latencies tied directly to your average number of hops between your PC and the server your VM is running on. I have no affiliation with them, and haven't used the service in a while. I mostly signed up for it out of curiosity. Their graphics-streaming-capable VMs run on AWS or Paperspace servers at a datacenter as geographically (and internet-infrastructurally) close to you as possible. In Seattle, I had ping times between 15 and 35ms. A lot of games with pretty decent graphics are solidly playable, even considering that graphics latency is far more sensitive than data latency. When I'd be signed in, I'd have traceroutes of five or six hops -- but at least theoretically, it's possible to bring that as low as four -- your router, your ISP, the datacenter and the VM server. What you get is a Windows virtual machine. Not a walled garden you have to pay extra to play games in. It's a windows VM. The environment comes with Steam already installed -- and you can sign into the Steam client with your own account. You can install software locally on your virtual drive. You can, and I did, install and run Dwarf Fortress. It was kinda cool to have a moderately- powerful VM running DF's world generation to make 1000-year histories. Competitive shooters are probably not good on Parsec, or any game where maximum responsiveness is critical -- but that limitation is shared by everyone in the space. The sickening part is that when Google announced Stadia, I assumed that it would be something like Parsec -- who, if anyone, can hit that theoretical four-hop goal? Hell, if this kind of thing caught on, Google could probably eliminate the ISP and bring it down to three hops. How they managed to mess this up I can't even. Yeah, Parsec won't do much for handhelds or for people who don't have high-bandwidth ultra-low-latency connections. But imagine the market forces pushing for low latency if something like a VM service were to catch on. With parsec, I paid for actual use time -- plus a nominal storage fee between sessions. If I told it to wipe my virtual drive when I signed out, it had zero ongoing maintenance cost when I was not signed in. The overall value prop at the time was just a tiny bit more than buying a gaming laptop every 18 months. Not a world-breaker by any stretch. But it or services like it deserve mention when talking about game streaming.

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monika laosi
monika laosi

I play GeForce Now on my Moto Z3 w/Moto controller mod via 4G all the time. You don't need a controller on GeForce now tho, because it has an on-screen controller option. I

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Kevin Vilbig
Kevin Vilbig

It is a bad idea from first principles.

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nuB
nuB

"HDR" Destiny 2 is free. Just do some dang latency, and video compression tests. That's where the sacrifice is with these services.

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Kyle Leppard
Kyle Leppard

project Xcloud is brilliant, i play on my tab s6 and it runs so smoothly and i love it

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Chris Solis
Chris Solis

SHadow PC is much better than any of these. Just saying..

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TapNaporSnap
TapNaporSnap

SHADOW VM. #endrant

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Curtis Larsen
Curtis Larsen

James: "A Shield is the only way you can use GeForce NOW on a TV" Riley: "Hold my Nintendo Switch"

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bilias hour
bilias hour

bluetooth controllers. Normally bluetooth interference isn't such a big deal, but in this case it will render games unplayable.

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Overseer76
Overseer76

Almost. You were ALMOST living the dream of playing Halo on an Apple device with a PlayStation controller!

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literal doc
literal doc

I wonder what the RGB range on the stadia is. Could possibly lead to no details in the blacks

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GamE FrEak
GamE FrEak

I really hope n pray Game streaming will never happen.

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GamE FrEak
GamE FrEak

@bilias hour I LOVE.Samurau Showdown. Bought it on SWITCH

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bilias hour
bilias hour

min 10, noobs they dont know how to pick up the sword in samurai shodown (they are too young, they never played the neo geo original game) nooooobbbsssss

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Bonnie Slovaski
Bonnie Slovaski

So Linus replace Luke with James after he got fat?

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NyBSfP —
NyBSfP —

When I was in HS (mid 90’s), most people had one system if at all and just a few PC games here or there. So you would mostly end up watching your friends play video games or taking turns chatting on AOL, Instant Messenger, random early website boards. And it was the worst. Absolutely boring AF. Nothing about the advancement of technology and reduced costs / increased access of it all would have led me to believe we’d not only end up back there, but that it would also turn into the trend. But here we are, a quarter of a century later, with Twitch, Twitter, etc... I will never understand.

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Sangram Mukherjee
Sangram Mukherjee

Okay google... Pick up my sword...😂😂

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Jon Axford
Jon Axford

One thing the Phil Spencer just talked about was making use of xCloud to trial games on GamePass, so you can see if you would enjoy the game before committing to downloading it, which I think is a great idea

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Z. Murray
Z. Murray

I play GeForce Now on my Moto Z3 w/Moto controller mod via 4G all the time. You don't need a controller on GeForce now tho, because it has an on-screen controller option. I also play Xbox Game streaming pretty regularly with the same setup, the input lag and video quality is usually better, as long as you have a really good signal. If you have poor signal tho, GeForce Now is a better option because it lowers the streaming quality to reduce tearing and decrease input lag

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Leonardo Ribeiro de Almeida
Leonardo Ribeiro de Almeida

I would love to see you trying Stadia on Chrome, using a keyboard and mouse.

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Russell Gillan
Russell Gillan

Definately give Shadow Tech a go, I've recently got my upgrade for 30 quid a month im getting 1TB SSD, RTX 2080 , 16GB ram and a 6 core CPU. I was needing to upgrade my PC but this is a better, cheaper alternative. and i can take it everywhere (even my crap work laptop!)

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向天翊
向天翊

It’s funny how Linus’s expectation goes down the more streaming services he tries. Geforce NOW: “ *1080p with 60 fps, or 720p with 120fps* ” Linus: “Nah no 720p” “Why can’t we use 4K” “They aren’t giving us that much graphics resources” “What is this anti-aliasing” “You see this latency though?” Playstation NOW: “ *720p, 60fps and pc only* ” Linus: “ *You know, it actually doesn’t look that bad* “

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Moose
Moose

I use steamlink to game when I am away from my rig. Playing smaller titles or the like on my mobile (like when I commute). I get the appeal for these services, but for me I'd say as an extension to how I game.

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mybrainmelted
mybrainmelted

...did he really just call haohmaru RYU? ....:\

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Gergő Fábián
Gergő Fábián

14:30 Or just plug your computer into your tv...

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Time Gaming
Time Gaming

You should not cut them some slack because everyone doesn't have good wifi streaming is manly good for people in good areas and or have paid extra for better connection and you also need to pay extra for games

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Cancer Stick
Cancer Stick

the only reason i dont want these services to take over the market is because i like having hardware and building my pc's lol

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Harry Meyer
Harry Meyer

What about Shadow PC??

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Emanuele Bignone
Emanuele Bignone

min 10, noobs they dont know how to pick up the sword in samurai shodown (they are too young, they never played the neo geo original game) nooooobbbsssss

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Adam Selene
Adam Selene

Why do people get used to paying more and getting less?

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Adam Selene
Adam Selene

@joemck85 I am not against streaming in itself, for gaming, video, audio, VR, or whatever else. But the price should reflect what you get. Prices should be lowered to reflect compromises to make services good values. For example, if you have to choose just one video streaming service, choose the one that gives you the most of what you want to watch for the lowest price.

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joemck85
joemck85

While I agree with the sentiment, I can also see using a service like these if I didn't want to spend even more all at once to buy a decent gaming PC or console. Or even if I did, but also wanted to play my games on the go using a phone or cheap lightweight laptop.

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Ken STACKS
Ken STACKS

10:12 ...did he say Riyuu? Like how they mentioned it in the Street FIghter movie?

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Patrick Seitz BlackyRay
Patrick Seitz BlackyRay

this video comes a bit late. GFN is already sold out. There is only a free tier left.... Did you guys start gaming mode on your TV? Because it doesnt look so.

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Good one!
Good one!

How about you test it on "normal people" internet 😐

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jazzmickge1
jazzmickge1

I don't think its a fair real world test based on LMG internet bandwidth. They should do the test again at their home on a normal domestic connection to really see if it's still functional. And also to see if bandwidth creates more graphics distortion or even lag and drop-outs.

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monika laosi
monika laosi

Its like gaming in 2010

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Chris Santana
Chris Santana

Xx'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. x cloud and that's what I have to say about the subject

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monika laosi
monika laosi

it's so adorable. James is like a son explaining tech to his dad hahaha

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PatrykMCMania
PatrykMCMania

wait playstation 1 controllers are Bluetooth hahahhahahahh ohhh linus u goof ball :P

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Johnathan Dearnaley
Johnathan Dearnaley

The only way for #lienus to play games on a system he is capable of setting up is Stadia. Don't @ me.

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Comedy Xd
Comedy Xd

#lie-nus

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MrAdam802
MrAdam802

Xcloud is best of all.

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praetorxyn
praetorxyn

I don't think doing this from an office with a (probably prioritized) 1+ Gigabit connection is fair. That being said, if you ask me, for any "Netflix of gaming" to have any sort of chance at taking off, it needs to behave like Netflix does, where you don't have to buy any movies or games and just pay a monthly fee to stream them. Most of these services require you to buy the game on top of that monthly subscription fee; if you're gonna buy the game just save up for the hardware to run it on locally and you'll have a lot less problems.

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Adrian Cristian Toma
Adrian Cristian Toma

About Shadow? Nothing?

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Blizbo Babkins
Blizbo Babkins

What about Shadow Tech PCs??

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Evx Eevvxx
Evx Eevvxx

3:16 hehe

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Paul Moore
Paul Moore

Mobile gaming is becoming a real thing now actually.

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ONESiXdesign
ONESiXdesign

Plug your phone to the tv, and play project X cloud using those wireless controller on TV(on your phone technically). Also you can use steam link using that setup. With all your game in steam library.

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Aravind Krishna
Aravind Krishna

What about shadow PC ?

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JeLezen Kalin
JeLezen Kalin

Rich people : CASH,CASH,CASH! Gamers : CACHE,CACHE,CACHE!

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Nicholas Platts
Nicholas Platts

it's so adorable. James is like a son explaining tech to his dad hahaha

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CHACHA AZAD
CHACHA AZAD

Its like gaming in 2010

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mobile legend the legend ARARAD
mobile legend the legend ARARAD

Bro there is no faster than shadow its 0.01 ms

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Don Pedro Hernadez
Don Pedro Hernadez

That snapping while turning that feels like latency sounds like a deadzone problem in your controllers. But then again I am no expert so I apologize if I am completely wrong. I just customize my dead zones on my controllers for different games for quick snapping or smooth turns.

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Thomas Fox
Thomas Fox

Looks like he had the same issue on all services and controllers, so I'd guess it's more the few mS of latency there. Doesn't take much to become noticeable.

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Chuck Gunter
Chuck Gunter

I can’t stand the latency on stream machines, even if it’s little

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Baldwin xu
Baldwin xu

It’s kind of weird seeing your pulse way ad Before this video

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Holam
Holam

How can you guy not trying Shadow ?!!

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Kari Brockhausen
Kari Brockhausen

How opinions have changed once you’re no longer sponsored

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Loundsify
Loundsify

I can use a Playstation 1 controller on the shield? Lol

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neejoy sola
neejoy sola

For me it is directly related to "is there any hope for ISPs to improve?" and the answer is no.

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Bonnie Slovaski
Bonnie Slovaski

Copying a top comment and repost? God you are a pathetic loser

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George PRIV
George PRIV

I had GeForce now while it was in beta- it was much better in beta than launch.

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CurD
CurD

1:53 "or a playstation 1" PS1? What?

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FREE Jackpot Bingo

Not 100% sure you actually stink........but nice add!

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neejoy sola
neejoy sola

I know streaming will be the future, but i can't bring myself to like it. I can already envision all the subscription prices whilst never 'owning' a game anymore. As for playing on a

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Frank Woodson
Frank Woodson

Linus: "I think 6 hours is a reasonable length of time to be gaming at once" those are rookie numbers

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Neil Lund
Neil Lund

I've only have GeForceNow and Stadia, but neither are great. Most days it has lag, frame drops and audio clipping. After all the kids started staying home, I've giving up trying to get either one to work.

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Art Vandelay
Art Vandelay

I think James is a sociopath and im fine with it :)

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Hannes Nel
Hannes Nel

lol...60hz at 1080 - no thanks, i will have my rig local

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bo jackson
bo jackson

i got respect for this guy

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arie gelfand
arie gelfand

not trying pvp?

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Jesse Kerson
Jesse Kerson

Worth pointing out that if you don't continue to pay the $11 a month for Stadia you loose access to the free games on their service (Like Destiny) or any "Pro" game you have previously chosen. You do however keep all the games you have purchased.

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UnitedStates -Ifunny
UnitedStates -Ifunny

U know how to build a PC like a god but play games like a 60 year old. How

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Simon Lam
Simon Lam

Why didn't they try Shadow?

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Jerah Joe
Jerah Joe

I like that sponsor sag-way in the beginning lol

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Guillaume Alloxrinfo
Guillaume Alloxrinfo

Shadow

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AZRubs
AZRubs

By a good gaming PC for a couple thousand *or* spend $50,000 to get a fiber optic cable trench dug and connected to my house...

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d0rkmagnet
d0rkmagnet

People trash Stadia, but it's honestly not that bad for NBA 2k. So like they said, depends on the games you play.

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Noah DeMello
Noah DeMello

I just remembered after watching this that AMD Link and Nvidia Gamestream still exist. How do those compare in terms of latency to all these new games streaming services? Not a lot of current YouTube coverage on either of these features

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Spreehox _
Spreehox _

I think PS Now is super underrated

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Koopa Library
Koopa Library

I know streaming will be the future, but i can't bring myself to like it. I can already envision all the subscription prices whilst never 'owning' a game anymore. As for playing on a phone, no thx.

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